AKC & the Dogue de
Bordeaux, and other important info
HURRAY! The day all fanciers of the Dogue de Bordeaux have waited for.... full AKC recognition!!!! And that dream came true on July 1st, 2008... that was the day that the DDB breed went from AKC Miscellaneous to being a fully vested AKC recognized breed, and part of AKC's "Working Group".
This is exciting news, and opens up alot of doors for the breed, giving dogue owners some opportunities that were never available before.
This means that the breed is now able to enter AKC's conformation show rings at shows all across the nation, and compete for AKC Championship titles!
HOWEVER, this joyous event will also come with some roadblocks, as not all dogues will be a "shoe in", and be eligible to show in AKC. As a newly recognized breed, AKC has strict requirements that allow only certain dogues meeting a specific pedigree criteria to show at AKC conformation events.
These requirements are, that no dogue is eligible to show UNLESS it has a 3 generation pedigree of dogues behind them who ALL have registration numbers, and these registration number must come from ONLY AKC acceptable registries.
At this point in time, AKC is ONLY considering their own registry, European FCI (Federation Cynologique Internationale), USBC (United States Bordeaux Corporation) and UKC (United Kennel Club) as acceptable.
If ANY of the14 dogues (15 including your own dogue) within your dogues 3 generation pedigree lack a registration number, or lack being registered by one of these AKC accepted associations, your dogue WILL NOT be allowed to show at AKC conformation events.
For an example of a complete, AKC accepted pedigree, see Atticus's pedigree or Maddox's pedigree.
The AKC will NOT accept, nor do they consider any of the following registries as acceptable: Federation of International Canines (FIC) out of Alabama, American Pet Registry (APR), American Canine Association (ACA), Continental Kennel Club (CKC), Dog Registry of America (DRA) or any other registry not listed above in blue.
Any dogues not in AKC's system as of July 1st, 2008, are shut out forever. July 1, 2008 and and after, only dogues imported from Europe, who have European FCI (Federation Cynologique Internationale) will be accepted in for registry as an "outside" dogue. AKC has special requirements for accepting these dogues in for full AKC status.
After 7/1/08, any dogue NOT posessing AKC registry, has no future in the United States.
Any breeder selling DDB puppies with any registration papers in the place of AKC, are selling PETS ONLY - no matter how beautiful, no matter how heaalthy (although, sadly, some of these breeders will tell you otherwise, just to gain a sale), as those dogues are worthless for showing, breeding or having any future in the breed. This is not an opinion, this is a fact, and no slick talking can change what the facts are.
Full AKC registry has now made AKC paperwork on a Dogue de Bordeaux the only paperwork that counts, or that means anything. All other paperwork is obsolete. Pups not possessing AKC papers, are strictly pets only, no matter what the physical characteristics are of that puppy are, and will also be worth a greatly lower price than pups possessing AKC paperwork.
Some breeders dual or triple register their puppies with other registries, such as UKC, FIC (out of AL) and CKC. This is ok, but, in order for your puppy to be "valid", it must also come with AKC registration papers as well. Without AKC papers, any other papers are not worth the paper they are written on if you plan to breed or show that dogue.
Many people ask what AKC's requirements are and what is meant by a "Valid" or "Verifiable" AKC pedigree, which will allow DDB's to enter the AKC conformation show rings. Here is an explanation, in detail, of what the requirements are, and how they can be obtained.
Your first dogue entered into AKC's system and who is registered through them as your starting point, is considered "Generation Zero". Generation Zero dogues are not eligible to show in AKC conformation events, however, by this dogue being AKC registered, this dogue will still be able to be bred, and it's puppies registered AKC, provided the dog you bred this dogue to is also AKC registered.
From there, the puppies you just produced out of these two AKC dogues would be considered "Generation 1". Generation 1 pups are not eligible to show in AKC conformation rings either, but, by these puppies being AKC registered, they would still be able to be bred, and their puppies could be registered AKC, and again, provided the dogs you bred them to are also AKC registered.
Pups produced out of your Generation 1 litter, if they go on to breed to AKC dogues and their pups are also AKC registered, those pups would be "Generation 2". Generation 2 pups are also not eligible to show in AKC conformation rings, but, by these puppies being AKC registered, they would still be able to be bred, and their puppies could be registered AKC, and again, provided the dogs you bred them to are also AKC registered.
From there, the pups from Generation 2, if bred to dogues with AKC papers, and if their litter is also AKC registered, that litter would then be "Generation 3".
Now, Generation 3 dogues WOULD be eligible to compete in AKC conformation rings, as they would then have the AKC requirement fulfilled, being 3 generations of AKC registered and accepted dogues behind them in their pedigree.
It's not a difficult process, but it can be a lengthy one.
Due to the length of time it can take, Foundation Stock Service was opened up 10 years prior to full AKC recognition of the breed, in order for people to begin registering their dogues in AKC's system, and to start building pedigrees with the full AKC requirement for pedigrees. The hope was that by the time full AKC was granted, most dogues would have the pedigree requirement satisfied, and would be eligible to walk into AKC conformation rings.
Many dogues still DO NOT have the pedigree requirement, as there are some breeders who came in late into the game, and still have not satisified the requirement, and therefore, their dogues cannot show in AKC conformation yet.
The reason for this requirement is that AKC has a standard of integrity, and they want to make sure that dogs who receive AKC titles are dogues who have a 3 generation proven line of dog behind them, and that they have been bred and registered ONLY through the most reputable kennel clubs in the world. This is to ensure the quality and purity of a breed.
Many people say "My dogue is registered through FIC out of Alabama. And AKC will not consider registering a dogue with such paperwork".
Yes, this is true. AKC has never considered FIC (Federation of International Canines) as a valid registry. Dogs with FIC paperwork would be deemed pets only, as they have no future in the world of AKC that the DDB breed has now risen to.
It has been stated though, that AKC will continue to register Dogues with UKC paperwork for a while after the full recognition date of July 1, 2008. You will have to phone AKC and ask for details.
If you want to apply for UKC registry in an attempt to then get your dogue AKC registered from there, you will need to be aware of UKC's requirements.
UKC (United Kennel Club) will not recognize any dogue for registration if you cannot produce a 3 generation pedigree. You must have an official pedigree issued by FIC, (or any other accepted UKC registry) as well as original FIC papers showing the dogue is registered in your name, before they will consider registration. They will accept copies, but these must be copies of original paperwork, not a pedigree made up on a computer by yourself or by the breeder.
UKC will even ask for photos of your dogue before giving final registration approval. Call them before sending in your registration application, to find out what they may additionally require of you. Their number is 269-343-9020, and you would need to speak to Judy Threlfall. Their hours are 8 AM to 4:30 PM EST.
UKC does not accept any of the other registries that AKC also denies, EXCEPT for FIC. If your dogue has ACA, APR, CKC (Continental Kennel Club) or any other registration except for the ones mentioned that are accepted, they will not consider your dogue for registration for any reason.
One important note, when you are surfing the internet for Dogue pups or when you look through puppy and dog sales magazines, as it is common for people who have mixed breed Dogues de Bordeaux or very poor quality dogues and do not have legitimate papers on their dogues, for them to get their dogues registered by these "fly by night" registries (ACA, APR, CKC) as an attempt to get "some" kind of paperwork to try to get more money out of their pups. They believe that they can con naive people into buying them and that they will just assume that any papers on a dogue is good enough. IT IS NOT.
APR (or APRI) is a common one that alot of backyard breeders and puppy mills are using to register their "garbage" .
So, don't be shy about asking for proof of legitimate registry. And if you need to, ask them to fax, email or xerox and mail you a copy of the AKC papers and AKC pedigree (showing all registration numbers of all dogues in the 3 generation pedigree) of the sire & dam to verify that you are getting what you pay for. Most reputable breeders already have their pedigrees listed on their websites. If a breeder doesn't, this may be a big red flag.
Anyone selling any dogue should have AKC, UKC or European FCI papers - any of those 3 are at the top of reputable, but minimally they should have AKC if the dogue is ever intended for breeding or showing.
If anyone tells you that you do not need AKC papers on your dogue if you plan to show it or breed it is telling you a straight out LIE. Do not believe this statement. Some unethical people will tell you anything just to get a sale.
The total future of this breed is AKC registry, plain & simple. So insist upon it in anything you buy.
Even if you only want a pet and have no plans to breed or show, it is still wise to insist on a dogue out of AKC registered parents.
The reason for this is that with AKC parents, your chances are much higher of getting a better quality pup, as well as the lineage is authentic, and this will give a better insight into health, longevity and temperament of your dogue.
Dogues that come from questionable pedigrees and/or registries with flimsy reputations, often have pedigrees that are simply "made up", or their ancestry is from unverifiable lineage, and this could mean you might be getting a dogue with lots of problems who may cost you many dollars in veterinary bills, as well as alot of heartache in the future, or you may even be getting a mixed breed!
Also, never buy any dog of any breed on a whim. Please make any purchase of any dog, something that you research well, to be certain it is the breed for you. Many dogs will not fit your lifestyle, and you need to know that before you take the animal into your home. Rescue associations and shelters are overflowing with unwanted animals, and many, many more animals are killed every year in these facilties than are adopted out. This is very sad.
Don't be part of the problem! Don't bring a life into this world, only to have it snuffed out through euthanasia because no one wanted it, or it couldn't get a proper home. These are lives that are being brought into this world, and such lives should not be so easily expendable!
Anyone who plans to breed should only do so if their dog truly offers a benefit to the breed. Don't be "blinded" by your love for your pet. Everyone loves their pet and thinks it's the most beautiful creature on the planet... however, just because it's beautiful in your eyes does not mean it meets the breed standard or that it would be a candidate to be bred. If you plan to breed, no matter how beautiful you think your dog is in your eyes, it needs to be health tested and pass those tests, as well as be evaluated by a qualified judge to be certain it is of breed standard quality to be bred!
Additional considerations: The Dogue de Bordeaux does drool, and sometimes quite heavily. That is the norm for the breed, usually occuring when it's hot out, or right after eating or drinking. This is a complete turn off for some people, and can sometimes be a sale killer.
There is no such thing as a "dry mouth" dogue de bordeaux, so if anyone tells you there is, they're either telling you a lie, or trying to sell you a mixed breed.
The Dogue can also be very territorial and sometimes not good with other animals, as well as standoffish or even confrontational with people they do not know.
They can also be very bullheaded and may challenge you when given correction, and this may require you actually having to take physical measures in order to get compliance, and since this is a large breed of dog, only a strong, healthy person should own this breed.
Some people have the misconception in thinking that all breeds of dog have the same temperament and the same health, just they look different. This is SO UNTRUE. Some breeds need very strong, very strict owners, and the Dogue de Bordeaux is one of these breeds.
Also, never buy a dog with the idea in mind that you want to become a breeder. Breeding is not a profitable business, especially if you want to produce happy, healthy pups that people will want to buy. You cannot cut corners if you want to produce quality pups that people will want to spend their hard earned money on.
Breeding can be unpredictable, and there are things that can and do go wrong, and issues can arise that will cost you lots and lots of money.
It is not uncommon for some female dogues from certain bloodlines to require c-sections when they are bred. A c-section can cost as much as $3,000 depending on where you live, and the risk to the mother dog and pups is great. They (mother and pups) could even die from such a procedure. Death in short muzzled breeds, due to being put under anesthesia, is higher than in any other dog breeds in the world.
Bloat also occurs in this breed, and it can cost thousands of dollars for surgery to try to save the dogue, and still 25% to 30% of them will not make it.
The Dogue de Bordeaux is a breed that requires a vigilant owner and one who is willing to go the distance with them, no matter what.
It is also a breed that requires being maintained within the home as a part of the family, and not kenneled or chained outdoors. This is a breed that is very human oriented, and need the constant human interaction that home raised dogs get.
If you cage, kennel or chain a dogue for most of it's life and treat it like a farm animal, it's almost guaranteed it will be a problem dog.
Don't get a dogue if you know you cannot commit to it being a house-pet. A dogues soul is very deep, and to deny it a home environment will cause their soul to rot, and the dogue will become a problematic dog.
As a final note, be sure you are researching your breed throroughly before committing to buy. Make sure you buy from a reputable breeder who has many years of experience under their belt in the breed and who knows the health and temperament of the dogs in the pedigree, and also, INSIST on nothing less than AKC registry.
Also, avoid buying from breeders who have been barred or disciplined or denied priviledges by any club or association for poor ethics, nor should you consider buying a pup from anyone who produces dogues on a large scale. If a breeder produces more than just a few litters a year, you may want to consider that the quality of those pups may not be worth the hard earned money you pay for it.
It can't be stressed enough how important it is to avoid anyone breeder who is selling dogues for a premium price but requires that you breed the dogue and give them puppies out of it. Any dogue sold at $1,500 USD or more should not have the requirement of the new owner to breed it and give puppies back to the breeder.
Any dogue sold at a fair market value should be yours, lock, stock and barrel. You should not have to pay the breeder for the puppy and then pay them again by giving up the pups the dogue produces later on.
Breeders who do this are running pyramid schemes, and are looking to make maximum profit at the expense of the dogue and at the expense of YOUR wallet.
Con artists and frauds are in every breed of dog and some are good at their smoke & mirrors game.
Always be sure to do a search on the internet of a breeder before buying a puppy. Look to see if they've been disciplined by any clubs, have a criminal background, have a bad rating with the Better Business Bureau and if they have a large number of unsatisfied puppy buyers.
Doing your homework IS work, but it's the best defense in ensuring that you get the dogue you want, and not an expensive headache.